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My doctor diagnosed me with pneumonia and treated me with azithromycin for five days. A week later, I showed up in his office with erythema nodosum on my lower legs. He decided to test me for Legionella (results were 1:256), Chlamydia pneumonia (IgG was 1:256) and coccidioidomycosis (+). Because the coccidioidomycosis result showed positive, he treated me with fluconazole (600 mg/day). A CT scan was taken which showed a small infiltrate in my upper right lob. Over the next five months, I slowly regained my health and the infiltrate calcified and decreased. My problem is that I’m not sure what I had because when my primary doc sent me to a pulmonologist, the pulmonologist said I never had cocci! He said I had Legionella pneumonia and that it is cured. My symptoms were night sweats, nausea, anxiety, pressure in my left lung area, sharp pain in my upper left shoulderblade, terrible fatigue and slight hematuria for 3 months. - Is it possible that I had Legionella and not Valley Fever (coccidioidomycosis)? - Does Legionella cause infiltrates that calcify? - Does Legionella cause erythema nodosum? - Does Legionella cause the other symptoms I experienced? Any clarification you can give me would be helpful as I know that Valley Fever can return and I’m actually hoping I had Legionella. Does Legionella cause infiltrates that calcify? Reply: No, but Valley Fever commonly causes calcifications. Does Legionella cause erythema nodosum? Reply: It is rare in Legionnaires’ disease, and not uncommon for Valley Fever. Does Legionella cause the other symptoms I experienced? Reply: Legionella causes acute pneumonia which generally requires hospitalization. What was the exact serologic test performed for coccidioidomycosis? The coccidioidomycosis serology performed before IgM antibody has a relatively high false positive rate, while the IgG antibody is more specific. I believe you more likely had Valley Fever (coccidioidomycosis).
Our site is a Victorian mansion with
new buildings attached over the years. The main building is listed, which makes
improvements very problematic. A registered water treatment company annually
takes samples which return positive readings on Legionella. The company
chlorinates the roof header tank and retakes samples. The result will return a
lower reading but we just cannot seem to get Legionella out of the system.
Recently the water treatment company reported in one part of the building a
reading of 825 Legionella pneumophila serogroup (2-14) before chlorination, and
a reading of 150 after chlorination. Another part of the building gave a
reading of 300 before chlorination and 75 after chlorination. The company
advised us to put the hot water on constant to kill the remaining bacteria.
Further tests were taken afterwards and the results were still positive. A
survey indicated that the run from the boiler is so great that the water loses
temperature. We have improved the pumps, used stronger chemicals, chlorinated
more frequently - all at a great cost. We have even fitted new boilers, but to
no avail. Are we doing enough to satisfy our legal responsibilities/Health &
Safety requirements? Or is our only answer to change all the old rusty pipework?
This would cause a great problem, as it would put much of the building out of
use for some time. The building is also listed, and any works require
authorization.
Thank you very much for your reply. It has been very helpful. However, on meeting with the water treatment company yesterday, he has now advised us that our samples after a year returned a reading of nearly 6000, and not 825 as we had originally stated. If we chlorinate more regularly we could keep the level to below 1000, but this would also rot the pipes. Does this new reading alter the advice that you very kindly offered in your previous email? Chlorination is ineffective long-term against Legionella. Note that there is no clear-cut need to disinfect your mansion. Keep in mind in your neighborhood all large buildings and 10% of homes are colonized with Legionella. None of them are undergoing disinfection, nor should they. If you must disinfect, copper-silver ionization is effective but maintenance is necessary.
I visited a hospital and drank water from the faucet in one of the bathrooms. The hospital has found Legionella in the water. They, say they're working to control this bacteria. As of today, I feel ok. Do I have to take any measures? Water in most large buildings contains legionella. Drinking water poses a risk to only selected individuals. Lung disease and smoking are risk factors. Underlying immune-deficiency diseases or organ transplant recipients are also at higher risk. If you have a history of pneumonia or you are a cigarette smoker, you should avoid drinking tap water. Instead, boil water, let it cool and then refrigerate it for drinking. Since you do not have any of these risk factors, you are at little risk and you need not worry.
On your website I read that 79% of survivors in one study suffered neuromuscular symptoms. I am experiencing chronic pain in my elbows and knees that started fairly suddenly 3 years ago which have been treated with steroids and anti-inflammatories with little success. I haven't been diagnosed or treated for legionnaires disease but have some concerns. I also work around a large 5 cell cooling tower and am inside the tower cleaning it once per year. Can a person get legionnaires and get well without specific treatment? If that is the case and, by chance, I were suffering effects from it, can it still be diagnosed? Would it eventually go away on its own? Is there any treatment? Thank you for any information on this.
As you know from our website, we do not
believe that cooling towers play a notable role in Legionnaires' disease. And,
in our FAQ, we note that a CDC survey of cooling tower workers showed no
evidence that these workers had any evidence of Legionnaires’ disease as
measured by a blood test for legionella antibodies as compared to non-cooling
tower workers. So, you would not be at risk for Legionnaires’ disease based on
your profession. What has happened since this email was sent to us. Was the cause of your joint pain diagnosed? Reply from patient: I had forgotten I had inquired about Legionaires as a possible cause of my extreme joint pain. My condition was not given a specific diagnosis but was probably due to my age, my vigorous exercise and weight lifting schedule, and, in general, overuse of the joints. I was working hard to get to an acceptable level of health and strength and probably was overdoing it. I backed off of every exercise and weight routine that hurt and, gradually, the pain subsided. I appreciate your follow-up but now believe my condition was self induced.
My mother entered the hospital with complaint of gastrointestinal problems. She was told by admitting physician lungs were clear. Three days later she was diagnosed with pneumonia. I have spoken with several families in ICU they state their family members entered hospital without any respiratory symptoms yet they developed legionella pneumonia. I would like some guidance on how to proceed to get this hospital water system tested, I fully believe she contracted the pneumonia in the hospital. How in the world can we get this water tested and what laws do physicians have governing their reporting Legionnaires’ disease in a hospital. Should the hospital water be tested? It is a requirement that the hospital inform the health department of your mother’s case of Legionnaires’ disease. The CDC also recommends that when a case of Legionnaires’ disease occurs in a hospital, the hospital water supply should be cultured since this is a likely source. You should point this fact out to the doctor taking care of your mother. You can also call the county health department and ask that they investigate. You have asked an important question. I hope that the hospital has already taken steps to investigate.
I developed legionella disease in a hospital. They sent me home with a low-grade fever and a cough. 1 week later my daughter found me on the floor of my bedroom, unconscious and covered in feces. I was taken to the hospital by ambulance and admitted into ICU, where 3 days later they diagnosed me with legionnaires’ pneumonia. What I don’t understand is why the hospital was not held responsible for my illness (they did a test on their HVAC system and found Legionnaires’ in the water). It is possible that the hospital water distribution system was the source of the Legionella. You should contact your public health department for information; they might have cultured the hospital water supply.
I was sprayed in the face with water that had been sitting in the pipes of the spa for about 10 days. I immediately washed myself thoroughly, went to the doctor and he prescribed erythromycin for 12 days. This is my 5th day on the antibiotic and I haven't shown any symptoms. I am normally a healthy person. Should I be worried about the possibility of having contracted the disease? The mode of transmission as discussed in the FAQ on www.legionella.org is usually aspiration. Aerosolization can also transmit Legionella, but the aerosolization must be intense. For example cooling tower drifts and air conditioners, despite the publicity in newspapers, rarely, if ever, transmit Legionella. The few studies in peer review journals almost never consider other likely sources including potable water from residences or workplace and culture selection is heavily biased towards cooling towers. Vapors from water devices colonized with Legionella can transmit Legionella. So, being directly sprayed with water is unlikely to cause Legionnaires’ disease. The use of erythromycin essentially reduced a minute risk to zero. Please inform your physician that
erythromycin is no longer the drug of choice for Legionnaires’ disease. Other
drugs (azithromycin, clarithromycin, levofloxacin, ciprofloxacin) are more
potent and have fewer side-effects. We have rented a vacation condo for June, at which time one of the members of our family will be a 4 month old baby. There have been recent reports of Legionnaire's disease in this condominium building. Will it by safe by June to take my newborn there, and are newborns more at risk of contracting the disease? Legionella is contracted most
commonly by aspiration of water containing legionella. You probably have
consumed Legionella in drinking water for years without contracting
Legionnaires' disease. The individuals with greatest risk in the general
population are elderly cigarette smokers. So the risk to you and your newborn is
extremely low. Newborns have been reported to contract Legionnaires’ disease,
but almost always in the hospital where the hospital water supply is
contaminated. The information that you provided is insufficient to answer your question and your physicians have a more accurate perspective of your husband’s diagnosis. That said, prednisone is a risk factor for many pneumonias including Legionella. It might be prudent to withhold the prednisone until the chest x-ray has cleared and your husband is more stable. Chest x-rays do not have to be performed routinely once effective therapy has commenced and the patient has responded. In your husband’s case, if prednisone is to be given, a repeat chest x-ray would be useful. Finally, it is not uncommon for the chest x-ray to lag behind clinical improvement.
The blood test means that you have been exposed to Legionella, but you probably do not have Legionnaires' disease now. Legionnaires’ disease is pneumonia. Ketek, Biaxin, Tequin and Z-pak are highly effective against Legionella, so you need no further antibiotic therapy. You may have a chronic
fatigue-like syndrome associated with a past infection and it may be prolonged
for about a year. Our recommendations are that you must try, no matter how
difficult, to be active at home and work. You should get more exercise, not
less. You should follow a healthy diet, and quit smoking. If you are overweight,
lose weight. No more antibiotics are warranted. Our recommendations must be
validated by your physician since we have insufficient information and have not
examined you. Can you test for Legionnaires’ disease after you have been treated and the pneumonia has subsided? A blood test, antibody serology,
can be performed. It is most accurate 4-12 weeks after the pneumonia. The ideal
circumstance is to have a blood test obtained during the pneumonia (acute sera)
followed by a repeat test 4-12 weeks later (convalescent sera). Another test is
the urinary antigen test, but the accuracy of this test decreases 1 month after
the pneumonia. The water piping in my house is plastic instead of the commonly used copper piping. Does that increase the risk of contracting the Legionella bacteria? Various plumbing materials have
been evaluated for their ability to support the growth of Legionella (and other
bacteria). Copper pipe is inhibitory, whereas plastic (PVC) pipe will support
the attachment and subsequent growth of bacteria- including Legionella. If the
hot water system temperature is maintained at or above 130oF, growth will be
inhibited regardless of pipe materials. Are children under the age of 2 years at risk of contracting Legionella? If they do contract the infection what is the prognosis or mortality? Children do, indeed, contract Legionella. The ones at greatest risk are immunosuppressed (e.g. transplant recipient, receipt of corticosteroids) or those hospitalized (especially neonates). In the hospital, the disease is contracted by Legionella in the drinking water. The mortality in reported cases was 33%. If you are a physician, we can
send you a preprint of details of the 76 children who have contracted LD. If you
are not a physician, you should know the risk is extremely low. We are planning a trip overseas. We will be in the cabin of an airplane for over 18 hours. Should we wear a mask to avoid Legionnaires’ disease? Legionnaires’ disease is not
transmitted person-to-person, so you need not be worried. Masks are useful for
some pneumonias, but not Legionnaires’ disease. Could Legionella be the cause of an enlarged liver a few years after I had this infection? (I am not a heavy drinker!) Although liver function tests
commonly become abnormal during Legionnaires’ disease, a persistently enlarged
liver is not caused by Legionnaires’ disease. I had pneumonia (shown on chest x-ray, single-lobe/105oF fever) 5 months ago. Is there a test for the Legionnaires’ disease antibodies that can be taken at this point to prove or disprove that it was Legionnaires’ disease? I still feel tired and breathless most of the time. I have had diarrhea for quite a while now. My doctors don’t think it is an issue. You can have a blood test for Legionella performed (Legionella serology for antibodies). If the test is positive, this is circumstantial evidence that the pneumonia was Legionnaires' disease. Your doctors may be right about
the issue of Legionnaires’ disease. You have been treated successfully and you
need no further antibiotics. In the FAQ on www.legionella.org, we provide
information that many patients who contract Legionnaires’ disease will
experience fatigue for more than a year, although almost all will recover.
Diarrhea is common, but it should resolve when the pneumonia resolves, so
consult your physician if it has not resolved. Clostridium difficile colitis is
a syndrome caused by antibiotics and this diagnosis might be considered. We
recommend that patients with Legionnaires’ disease must quit smoking and
continue to be active even if they feel fatigued. I am a 15 year kidney transplant patient on immunosuppressants. I was diagnosed with Legionella bacteria this past weekend at the hospital. After reading the literature and ways of contracting this disease, I believe there is a good chance that I contracted from a dental visit earlier in the week. My dentist uses a water cooled drill. I had a severe coughing episode when water entered my throat. Dental procedures involving water has the potential of transmitting microorganisms including Legionella. Your dentist and any other doctor you see should know you are a transplant patient on immunosuppressive medications. You should inform the dentist of your concern. I would recommend culturing the dental water supply. Epilogue: Although the dentist
gave us permission to culture his dental water supply, he disinfected the dental
lines beforehand. And he refused to allow our technician to culture the water
tank of the facility since the tank would still have harbored the Legionella
even if he disinfected the water line. I had a severe asthma attack at work yesterday. The air conditioning system was not used during the summer months throughout the classrooms. The remodeled building was made for air conditioning therefore many areas are closed off to the outside and there are no windows. I was in such a room for 6 hours. I spoke with the janitors about the possibility of a mold problem because that was what triggers my asthma. They told me that they have been chasing after mold on pipes that carry the cool air into the building all summer. The mold keeps returning on pipes and blower units. One janitor told me that the mold looks like moss hanging from a tree...hanging on a pipe. They have brought in an outside firm to wipe down the pipes. School starts in a few days. Could this scenario be a breeding ground for Legionella? What do I need to look for when I get into my classroom? The scenario that you describe is
not likely to include Legionella as a risk to healthy students and teachers. As
is described elsewhere, air conditioners are not likely disseminators of
Legionella. Legionnaires’ disease has not been linked to mold contamination. My 62-year old brother has just spent 3 weeks in hospital fighting a very severe case of Legionnaires' disease (which was initially diagnosed as flu and then pneumonia). He has been a smoker for years but, of course, has had to give that up. He is extremely weak having only been on the path to recovery for one week. He is also suffering side effects of Legionella suddenly, i.e. inflamed joints. A joint suddenly swells up and becomes very stiff, hot and painful. His right knee and both elbows are really bad at the moment. What can he do to expedite recovery? Symptoms of joint pain after
recovery is common, but inflamed joints that swell up are not. If he does not
improve in a few weeks, he should see an arthritis specialist. Our home water supply is infected with Legionnaires’. I am really concerned. I don't drink tap water but my question is do I have to worry about showering, the use of the dishwasher, washing my clothes and especially brushing my teeth. We have found that the risk of acquiring Legionnaires' disease from your home water system is quite low. Generally, those who have contracted the disease from their home water systems are usually smokers. Legionella can be isolated from a small percentage of residential water systems. If the bacteria is present, the risk of disease to the average person (with no serious underlying illness) is extremely low. It is also likely to be found in water faucets as well as showers. The role of showers in the transmission of Legionella is overemphasized. Elevated hot water temperature (about 130oF or 55oC) can minimize the chance that Legionella will grow in a water system. Consideration should be given to the risk of scalding to small children and impaired adults if the water temperature is set at this high temperature. With respect to your question,
there is no risk with use of a dishwasher, washing clothes, and showering. For
immunosuppressed patients, we recommend that tap water not be drunk. It is
theoretically possible to contract Legionnaires’ disease from brushing your
teeth with tap water. I need your advice. My condominium association
has received a proposal from a company to check our water for Legionella on a
quarterly basis. As far as I know, we have had no cases. My inclination is to
say no, but I want to consult an expert. The brief answer to your query is "don't culture buildings unless the building houses a high risk group of individuals (chronic lung disease, immunosuppressive illnesses, illnesses requiring chemotherapy/transplant rejection meds/corticosteroids). The rationale is at least 2. 1. Miniscule attack rate. Please download the article on the home page of www.legionella.org by Pedro-Botet on Coming of the 3rd Plague. We do recommend that convalescent care facilities housing a notable number of debilitated patients culture their water supply once a year (Seenivisan, J Amer Geriatrics Society 2005 in our Publications section). 2. Maintenance measures directed at water supplies colonized with legionella are not evidence-based; in fact data from our lab shows that virtually all recommendations involving maintenance do not affect legionella colonization. So, what should the residents of
your condominium association do to prevent Legionella infection? 1) Smokers
should quit smoking. 2) High risk groups should not drink tap water (Singh,
Transplant Infect Dis 2004 on the home page of www.legionella.org). Tap water
should be boiled, then cooled and refrigerated for drinking for high-risk
patients. My 82-year old father in law was diagnosed 4 weeks ago and has been in hospital. He was discharged two weeks ago but still has diarrhea and sickness. He is losing weight and is now quite weak. He has also been diagnosed with Barret’s Oesophagus. The acute symptoms of
Legionnaires’ disease respond readily to antibiotic therapy including fever and
diarrhea. However, weakness and fatigue can persist for months as the FAQ on the
Home Page of www.legionella.org shows. The possibility of persistent diarrhea
induced by antibiotic therapy should be considered (Clostridium difficile
colitis). This illness can be checked by a laboratory test using the patient's
stool. Epilogue: You were absolutely correct - my father in law was diagnosed with
Clostridium difficile. However, he sadly died ten days ago. Many thanks for your
reply. My pulmonary specialist says it is interstitial lung disease, with an underlying disease causing it. He and the Internal Medicine physician ruled out vasculitis and lupus. The infectious disease control doctor tested me for Legionnaires’ disease and the test was positive. Whatever it is, is causing intestinal problems. I still have fevers, headaches, joint pains, shortness of breath, diarrhea, and am tired all the time. I have received four months of antibiotics and am now taking Zithromax without getting better. Could test results could have been wrong about Legionnaires’ disease? Please request that your
Infectious Disease doctor fax us the test results. You have not responded
to therapy that should have been curative for LD. We have been notified that a fish pond with Japanese carp will have to be cleared due to the health risk of Legionnaires’ disease. Is it not possible to eliminate the risk in such a confined public area? If the pond has to be cleared, wouldn't all outside ponds need to be cleared? Although Legionella may be found
in extremely low numbers in natural aquatic bodies of water (like a pond), there
is little opportunity for amplification (growth) and transmission. We are not
aware of any reported cases of Legionnaires' disease associated with natural
ponds. So, we see little risk of contracting Legionnaires’ disease and would not
be concerned. No guidelines for ponds, including fish ponds, have been
formulated with respect to Legionnaires’ disease. On the other hand, rare cases
of Legionnaires' disease have been linked to natural hot springs. Have there been any confirmed cases of Legionnaires’ disease being caused by water droplets from a decorative fountain? Would it help if I added bleach to this water? (I do not use bleach in the fountain water since we have three cats)? If so, how much would I need to add to it and how often? A few cases of Legionnaires’
disease have been linked to fountains, but the risk is low. The bleach probably
would be helpful. The concentration is 1-2 parts per million, but it would
corrode your fountain. Using boiled water after it has cooled would reduce the
risk to zero. I have a small decorative water fountain in my dining room. I use distilled water in it. What are the chances that my family could contract Legionnaire's Disease from the water running in this fountain? Distilled water is less likely to
be colonized with Legionella than tap water. The risk is very low regardless. What % of people die from contracting the disease? The figures below are crude estimates. Immunocompetent (healthy
individuals) given appropriate antibiotics early, 0-9%; immunocompetent
individuals not given appropriate antibiotics early, 20%-35%; immunosuppressed
individuals (transplant patients, cancer patients, etc.) given antibiotics
early, 5-20%; immunosuppressed individuals not given antibiotics early, 40-50%. I work in a leisure centre which has just been shut to the public because they have found Legionella in the tanks underneath the swimming pool. We have been told that the staff can stay in the building and work because it is not in the water supply e.g. showers etc. Nobody at work is convinced and we feel we should not be in the building. Can you tell us if it is safe as we are concerned for our health? The information given above is
inadequate to answer your question. Who frequents the leisure center and has a
case of Legionnaires' disease occurred in this center? Assuming that the patrons
of the leisure center are the general population and that a case has not
occurred, it is probably safe to enter and work in the building. It also may be
safe for the public. Legionella poses the greatest risk to patients with risk
factors such as smoking, who may be exposed to contaminated drinking water. Can Legionella infect animals? Elevated serum antibody levels have been found in horses. A fatal case of pneumonia due to L. pneumophila was diagnosed in a calf. However, only 1.7% (2/112) of the other cattle in the herd had serological evidence of exposure to Legionella (antibody blood test). The disease was linked to exposure to a hot water system colonized with Legionella. Fabbi M, Castellani-Pastoris M, Scanziani E, et al. Epidemiological and
environmental investigations of Legionella pneumophila infection in cattle and
case report of fatal pneumonia in a calf. J Clin Microbiol 1998;
36(7):1942-1947. My husband, 52, is non-smoker, previously healthy, and has contracted Legionnaires’ disease. He has been very ill from it. He uses our hot tub almost daily. I recently swapped out the filter with the alternate filter which I store in an outdoor shed. Also, our pool maintenance man added a floater for the tablets which he had stored at his home. I do not use the tub often, however, before having knowledge of this diagnosis on Sunday, I used the hot tub and now I have a deep moist cough but no fever. I do not want to drain the tub without first discovering if it is the source of LD. How do I go about getting it tested and then how do I effectively disinfect the tub? Of course, I plan to discard both the filter and the floater. We are skeptical of some reported
outbreaks linked to hot tubs. We also know that Legionella can be acquired
simply through the home drinking water. But your question is a reasonable one.
If you husband has confirmed Legionnaires’ disease, then the physician is
required to report the case to the local health department. The health
department can decide whether or not to culture the hot tub. Can infection alone result in kidney dysfunction? Legionella can infect the kidney,
but this is very rare. However, kidney dysfunction is a common complication of
Legionnaires’ disease. So, if the antibiotics are effective (and they usually
are), the kidney dysfunction can resolve. This is a general question about lab tests for Legionella, but I thought you may be able to help me. I know that the Pittsburgh VA is an authority on Legionella. We recently tested water samples from a camp that hosts retreats for both children and adults, after a Legionellosis case in our region occurred and the patient claimed he had visited the camp a few days before developing symptoms, We sent the samples to our state’s public health laboratory and they all came back culture-negative but positive by PCR. The public laboratory sent the results to us saying that this test is still experimental, but they could not explain what that means in terms of control measures. I get the impression that PCR detects Legionella DNA, but only a positive culture can define if the Legionella is viable enough to infect a person. Is this correct? Are repeat tests recommended? The director of this camp is very concerned that any of the lab results came back positive and is thinking about repeating testing. He has looked into this and found a lab that will charge upwards of $1000 for each investigation. Could you also tell me an estimate of the cost of sending samples to the Pittsburgh VA Lab? You are correct that the meaning of a positive PCR/negative culture is unclear. It is for this reason that culture remains the “gold standard” for investigation of cases. We would expect that the cultures would be positive if a water reservoir at the camp was the source of exposure – unless a disinfection procedure had been applied. An individual that is active
enough to go to a camp also would have had the opportunity to be exposed to
Legionella in locations besides the camp. The camp director has done all that is
necessary and follow-up cultures are not indicated. If they want to culture
anyway, our prices can be found under “Laboratory Services.” I was quite ill about four weeks ago with fever chills fatigue and cough, now I am left with cough, sweats and fatigue but have not yet had antibiotics. I feel a lot better than I did. However, could Legionnaires flare up to make me ill again before my doctor starts me on antibiotics. I had the blood test two weeks ago which showed positive and I’m to have another blood test soon. The information that you have
provided is insufficient to answer your question. Legionnaires' disease (LD) is
pneumonia. To address the issue of antibiotics, your chest x-ray should show
evidence of pneumonia. If the chest x-ray shows pneumonia, then antibiotic
therapy including quinolones (levofloxacin) or macrolides (azithromycin) are
highly effective. If the chest x-ray does not show pneumonia, then you may not
have active Legionnaires’ disease at the current time and your physician must
use his clinical judgment as to the interpretation of the blood test. Another
test that is more specific (medical term) is the Binax urinary antigen which may
assist your physician in deciding whether you should be treated for
Legionnaires’ disease. Please refer your physician to our website,
www.legionella.org. I contracted Legionnaire's pneumonia and was in the hospital for 12 days, 4 of which I spent in ICU. The physicians had difficulty diagnosing my illness and I was treated with a variety of drugs. For the past 6 years I have suffered from a variety of health problems including asthma, hyperthyroidism, anxiety attacks, memory loss and difficulty concentrating as well as having a suppressed immune system. I was wondering if there is any connection between my illness and current health since I was healthy before contracting Legionnaires’ disease. Most patients recover completely
although it may take many months. See General Information on www.legionella.org.
A few individuals have complained of subsequent asthma in queries to our
website. As for your other symptoms, we are unable to ascertain if they are
associated with your Legionnaires’ disease. I have auto-immune vitiligo and hypothyroidism. I
would like to know why after contracting Legionnaires’ disease while on holiday
in France and admitted to ICU on my return to England, where I was placed on
life support, and three months later developed asthma/COPD though prior to
infection suffered nothing. Asthma is prevalent in my family, my brother died
from it after late onset at 31 - died at 41. Is this indicative of my future! My
hair has fallen out in immense quantities, but I have slowly regained strength.
I find my memory is a little troubling in that I forget, names etc. Numerous patients with Legionnaires' disease have asked why they developed asthma shortly thereafter. We have no clear-cut explanation, but we have never seen the development of asthma in our patients and it is not reported in the medical literature. Nevertheless, given the number of queries on this issue, we formulated a questionnaire to be completed by the physicians of these patients; this questionnaire included medical history and documentation of the asthma as well as confirmation of Legionnaires' disease. Over the next 3 years, we continued to receive such queries from patients, and asked these patients to give the questionnaire to their physicians. We received a not a single documenting questionnaire from a physician. I have personally been infected by Legionnaires’ disease.
What can I do to increase awareness of this infection so that others could be
spared this terrible disease?
The most important problem that we face as
physician researchers in this field is that a startling amount of
misinformation is present and scientifically validated information that would
allow prevention of this infection is not disseminated by public health
authorities. It is a fact that Legionella
is commonly found in the drinking water supply of large buildings. Since the discovery of the source of the
organism in 1982 (Stout, N Engl J Med 1982), this important fact has not been
exploited for prevention. Most public
health authorities are not interested because of the panic and media exposure
that it may bring. Likewise, hospitals
are afraid of negative publicity, overlooking the fact that if patients learn
that they contracted the infection from being admitted into a hospital that did
not check their water supply for Legionella that they would not only sue, but
they would win. The one thing that you can do if you have
contracted Legionella from a hospital is to ask the following question. Did the hospital have a preexisting policy to
culture the water supply? This approach
is recommended by state health departments of Hundreds of outbreaks from hospitals have
been reported. Nosocomial (Greek for hospital-acquired)
Legionnaires’ disease is now commonplace and has become a well known complication. Approaches
for preventing any patients from contracting the disease within a hospital have
been published by the State of Inexplicably,
a major obstacle to this approach is the Centers for Disease Control in In
summary, the current approach throughout the world, with some exceptions, is to
ignore the problem altogether. My 5 year friend got leukemia and is now in maintenance chemotherapy
phase. Do you have any data about the effects of Legionella on such
patients? What the best way to avoid the infection?
With the exception of hairy cell leukemia which has a disturbingly high incidence
of Legionnaires' disease, leukemia is not a major risk for Legionnaires’
disease except for the time they spend in hospitals. The greatest risk comes from hospitals that
have Legionella in the hospital
drinking water, but are unaware or do not want to be informed of its presence. A few hospitals test their water supply for Legionella, and their patients are
safe. Unfortunately, most do not. The CDC now recommends that hospitals in which
bone marrow transplants are performed should culture their water supply. We recommend that immunosuppressed
individuals not drink tap water, but water that has been sterilized by boiling
and then cooled. Can Legionnaires' be ingested and give symptoms of nausea and
vomiting and migrate to the lungs via the digestive route?
Your scenario above is not quite correct, but close. Click onto General
Information and there is some discussion on Aspiration. Nausea, vomiting,
diarrhea can occur. The Legionella bacterium, enters the lung not through the
digestive tract, but is aspirated through the windpipe (trachea). The building I
work in has tested positive for Legionella bacteria. One individual fell sick last week.
What are the risks to me if I keep showing up for work and inhaling the air
conditioned air? Do you think I should leave? Some hot spots were
found in the building...two in air conditioning water cooler towers and one in
a ladies bathroom sink one floor beneath me. An outside Legionella risk
management company came in to the building to conduct independent testing and
found no Legionella bacteria present in the water supply. Then, the City
Health Department then conducted their tests; Legionella was present and potent. Is
there still a risk if the building has been cleaned? Can you please give
some direction. No one is telling us
anything.
It is not well-known to the public that Legionella
in large building water supplies is commonplace. The fact that Legionella was found in the workplace
water systems of a sick person does not necessarily mean that this was the
source of infection. If the Legionella
organism was isolated from the patient, molecular typing can be done on both this
organism and the Legionella recovered
from the water systems. If they match, then there is a stronger probability
that the workplace was the source.
The health department in our state has discovered that my husband's
place of employment has the Legionella bacteria in their water. Should he
be tested to see if he is infected? No. Individuals who are not susceptible hosts (e.g., cigarette smokers, transplant recipients) are not at high risk for Legionnaires’ disease. If your husband has signs of pneumonia (high fever, cough), then he should consult his physician for a chest x-ray. If he seems healthy, testing is unnecessary for your husband.
We moved into a new building 4 months
ago, a 2 level office building with under floor ventilation (air
conditioning). Over the Christmas period one of the pipes broke and
leaked approximately 1 foot in areas of water into the under floor system
(approx 2 foot deep) where all of our electrics were running along with the air
conditioning system, which continues to blow cool air. The building must
be half a quarter of mile long if not more and the whole of the underground
floor was flooded in various depths. The maintenance men have continued
to pump out the water for 2 days and regain electrical connections, but the
water may have been sitting there for a period of up to two weeks. Should the
water be tested for Legionella?
We would not be concerned about the risk for Legionnaires' disease in the
situation that you describe. We believe that aspiration is the major mode of
transmission, not aerosolization (See General Information on the Home Page for a
fuller explanation). Regardless, the risk is very low for either mode of
transmission.
I have read recently that home hot
water pipes may be a breeding ground for Legionella. Is there any kind of
filtration system for the home that would solve this or is boiling the only
remedy? You may want to read the paper on our web
site “Legionnaires' disease contracted from patient homes.” Unless you are at
increased risk of contracting Legionnaires' disease (chronic lung disease,
immunosuppression, transplant recipient), you are at such a low risk of
becoming infected that there is no need for any action on your part. For
individuals at high risk, we recommended increasing the hot water temperature
to approximately 60oC (140oF) max. setting on the hot water tank and
flushing the outlets for 30 min. with the hot water. This can be done on a
quarterly to annual basis to reduce the level of Legionella within the system. However, this procedure is
unnecessary for most homes. There is a
risk of scalding with water at this temperature, so caution must be exercised
if elderly or small children use the water. Filtration would be expensive because the
filter would have to remove particles the size of bacteria (0.2 microns) and
they would have to be changed frequently. I had new piping put in my house and the plumbers didn't do the job
right. Mold formed inside the house in three of the bedrooms and I became
sick with pneumonia. It was later diagnosed
as Legionnaires’ disease. Can
Legionnaries’ disease be caused by mold? Or affect the air conditioner in my
house where the spores would be spread around the house?
Legionella can be contracted, not by
mold, but by the water in your home water distribution system. Your
doctor is required to report your case to the Health Department, perhaps, they
may culture your drinking water for Legionella. If you live in
Is there any data about contracting Legionella from swimming
pools especially if they have not been used all winter long?
The risk from contracting Legionnaires’ disease from swimming pools is
negligible. I have been asked to clean bathroom tiles and
shower heads in a chain of hotels. Will dry steam cleaning machines kill this
bacteria? Would ordinary steam cleaning machines kill this bacteria? Heat above 170oF and drying
will kill Legionella. However, bathroom tiles, even when wet, will
not transmit Legionella. So you need
not worry about Legionella in that
situation. What are the chances of getting Legionella from open system of
hydronic radiant heat where you get your house heating and drinking water from
the same source? The risk from hydronic heating is
unknown, but we know of no cases of Legionnaires’ disease from such sources.
However, as the article on our Home Page shows, one can contract Legionella from home water distribution
systems and large building water systems. But the risk is extremely low
and close to zero if you are not a cigarette smoker. And, if you were a smoker, I would quit
smoking and not worry about the hydronic heat. Is it common for a person to have a blood test positive for
Legionella without a history of illness?
Is there any reason for concern for future illness? The blood test (antibody serology) is most accurate when a person is ill with pneumonia. If the person has no pneumonia and does not have an abnormal chest x-ray, this person may have encountered Legionella many years ago and is ok now.
Based on our studies, we suspect that presence of antibody may be protective,
since we never encountered patients who have contracted Legionnaires' disease
twice. My goldfish died last week. I thought I overfed it. But, an outbreak of Legionnaires’ disease
occurred at a large aquarium in our country (
We think you overfed the goldfish. My husband has
been diagnosed with Legionnaires’ disease, but has no underlying risk factors
that we know of. He was cured with
erythromycin. He is 38 years old. Should we be concerned about his immune
system and should his doctor be looking for reasons that he contracted this? His case has been
reported to the local Health Dept. and they conducted a They should try
to locate the source. If you live in
Minor point:
Erythromycin is effective, but azithromycin is more potent, has fewer
side-effects, and can be given once daily for a shorter duration. It also is more expensive. Levofloxacin is also highly potent. Your doctor should be congratulated for
making the diagnosis.
The Health Dept.
did conduct a limited phone survey, but did not come to the house for an
inspection. We have been advised that I
probably inhaled or aspirated some standing water. After 3 weeks, I am back to work, but my
strength and stamina are low. We are
trying to determine the source of the Legionella so we can take corrective
action. 2. I use a dental
night guard every night; it is a formed plastic mold of my teeth that keep me
from grinding my teeth. I store it in a
glass of water every day, and sometimes I forget to change that glass of water
for a week or more. Maybe I pulled the
night guard out of the "dirty" water and went to bed. Sometimes I cough after putting it in my
mouth, and maybe some of the water went down the "wrong pipe" and got
into my lungs (aspiration). How could I get this air conditioner tested? Right now I'm afraid to use it and we spent
$500 on it. I don't want to throw it
away and I wouldn't sell it if I thought it was dangerous. Also, can you
provide any information on how to properly disinfect this air conditioner and
would you think it is safe to use again? The air conditioner is not the likely source. The dental night guard soaked in tap water may be the
source. This can be proven by culturing
the home water supply and the "dirty water." If the health dept will not provide this
service, we can do it gratis if the Legionella has been isolated from culture of your sputum. Otherwise, merely use boiled water for
storing your dental guard. Let it cool
before dropping your dental mold into it. Has the
Legionnaire's disease and its media coverage had any adverse social impact like
did AIDS in the first few years of its discovery and then was understood
better? The impact of the lay media has been
both positive and negative. Negative: Bad publicity to a hospital
or organization can result because So, hospitals often do not want to
know about Legionella in their drinking water.
Nor do public health agencies want to push this issue because of the
inflammatory nature of the truth. On the
other hand, we believe that knowledge about the hospital drinking water can
allow preventive measures to be taken by Positive: Revelations by the lay media have stimulated
many hospitals to |